42 - A Discussion between Parashurama and Ganapati 

Parashurama said - О brother, with my mind filled with devotion, I am entering into the inner apartment to offer my salutation to mother Parvati and lord Shiva. Thereafter, I shall return in no time.

Because by their grace I rid the earth of the Kshatriyas twenty one times, besides killing the great kings like Kartavirya and Suchandra and from whom I achieved the divine knowledge and the inaccessible weapons, I want to have an audience with such a great lord of the universe, who happens to be my teacher as well. He is visible as well as invisible, besides being the one who takes to the definite form for the sake of his devotees, truthful, Brahmana, the eternal flame, ever-lasting, truthful, the one who moves at will, ocean of mercy, the one who provides welfare to the down-trodden, the great ascetic, the one who always roams about with the soul, the one who fulfils the wishes of all, who is visible as well as  invisible, beyond everyone, who creates the  universe, adored and eulogised by many, the  form of Purana, the great soul, Ishana, the eternal  form, indestructible, welfare of all the welfare,  the one who bestows prosperity, the peaceful  one, the one who provides with all the fortune,  the best of all, the one who gets pleased quickly,  the one having a smiling face, the one who loves  the people who take refuge under him, the one  who provides protection to his devotees, the  lover of the devotees, the one who looks at all  with a compassionate glance. 

After thus speaking Parashurama stood before Ganapati. Thereafter Ganapati the leader of the ganas started speaking to Parashurama in a sweet voice. 

Ganeshavara said - О brother, you kindly wait for a moment and listen to me. One should not look at a man and a woman when they are alone.

Because only a degraded person looks at the couple engaged in love-sports or disturbs their pleasure. The one who does so surely have to fall in the hell named Kalasutra.

O Brahmana such a sinner has to remain in hell as long as the sun and the moon last.  Particularly the people with wisdom should not  look at the father, the teacher, the king and the  Brahmana engaged in conjugal pleasures in  lonely places, because the one who is infatuated  with passion or anger looks at the people  engaged in conjugal pleasure, such a person has  to face separation from his wife for seven births.  The one who castes a voluptuous eye at others' wives, her breasts, the pelvic region or the face, such a great fool surely becomes blind. ' 

O sage, on hearing the words of Ganesha Parashurama got enraged. He then smiled and uttered harsh words in anger. 

Parashurama said - I have heard today the most appropriate and the unprecedented word because I had never heard such words from the mouth of the lord. 

Because such punishment has been prescribed for the passionate persons or those with a deformed mind have not been heard of in the Vedas. This has been heard by me that the child having a spotless mind does not attract any sin.  Therefore, О brother, I am entering the inner apartment. О child, what can you do. Don’t stop me from moving forward. 

I am reaching the place. I shall act according to the prevailing situation. They are not your parents alone, because those Parvati and Parameshvari happen to be the parents of the universe. It is never believed that Parvati is the woman and Shiva is the man. Shiva has the universal form and the same is the case with Parvati. О virtuous one, the one who is beyond virtues, how can he indulge in the love-sport and how could the same be disturbed. The love-sport, shame and fear, are meant for ordinary people and not for the lord. 

How can the parent keep shy by looking at an infant who feeds on the breasts? Will the lord of same, can attract the shame? Can the shame achieve the shame or can the fire achieve the warmth? О brother, can the cold get the cold, can the fire get the burning sensation, can the fear get the fear or can the death face the death? In fact, can the fever destroy the fever; can the ailment destroy the ailments. 

Can the killer be afraid of the killer and can the god of death be afraid of death? Can the creator according your opinion, create the creator and can the preserver preserve the preserver? 

Can the hunger satisfy the hunger and the lust satisfy the lust? According to your opinion can the sleep get the sleep, the glory gets the glory, the satisfaction gets the satisfaction, can the pleasure get the pleasure and the mercy get the mercy and can the soul be afraid of the great soul or can the strength be afraid of the strength? 

О lord, the lust, the anger, the passion and the grief cannot be destroyed by themselves, the mercy cannot be connected with mercy nor the can the passion be linked with passion. 

Can the divine intelligence develop any blemish? The old age cannot be destroyed by the old age, the worries cannot be removed by worries; one eye cannot look at the other eye. 

Can the pleasure get pleased and cannot the grief destroy the grief, cannot the misfortune remove the misfortune and cannot the fortune attract fortune? 

The memory cannot remember the memory and the son can never be destroyed with his own deeds. This is believed by everyone. 

О brother, currently you have conducted yourself in opposite directions. I have heard this neither from the mouth of my teacher nor is it provided in the Vedas. Thus, speaking Parashurama continued laughing and tried to forcibly enter the house. 

Listening to the words of Parashurama, Ganesa  overcoming his anger and maintaining the  peaceful form, kept on smiling and said, "A  person who is infatuated with darkness and is  devoid of the knowledge can achieve wisdom  from the one who possesses the same but the  inaccessible knowledge comes only from the  mouth of the father and the brother. 

О brother, I have heard about the inaccessible knowledge which is meant for the intellectuals only. Therefore, you kindly listen to a few words of an unwise person like me. 

He who is Nirguna, does not involve himself and does not remain with shakti. The creator has to remain dependent on shakti. Therefore sometimes, the formless appears in a definite form.

О great sage, barring the body of lord Krishna all other bodies have to enjoy all the pleasures or displeasures of life and that is quite natural.

It Because of that the yogis meditate upon the formless form of the lord which is spotless, illumining without hand and feet and is beyond Prakruti. 

The one who bestows his grace on his devotees is called Vishnu and people adore him, because there could be no flame without the tejas. 

The beautiful dark-complexioned body always remains inside the flame which is always beautiful and eternal. He has two arms and holds a flute in his hands, wears a serene smile on his face and tambura as the lower garment and is adorned with valuable gem-studded ornaments.  The yogis conceive him as all-pervading and visualise this form of the lord in the eternal flame. 

They engage themselves with the grace of the lord for his slave hood. All the yogic practices and the tapas do not equate to one-sixteenth part to the slave hood of the lord. 

Whenever lord Krishna desired for creation, he delightfully created Prakruti and implanted the semen in her womb. The semen created an egg which remained in the womb of Prakruti for a lakh of years and ultimately it came out. Then, there was a deep sigh and the wind was created. 

О brother, with the deep sigh a drop emerged from the mouth as a result of which the water appeared in the very presence of the lord. 

The egg was consigned into the water for a lakh of years and Mahavirat suddenly emerged out of the same becoming the base of the universe. 

All the hair-pits on the body of Virat and a globe remain enshrined in each one of his hair pits. 

In every globe, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva besides the gods, the sages and moveable and immovable creatures always exist. Mahavirat happens to be the refuge of everyone. О sage, with the inhaling of air, the wind was turned into the god and by one of the rays Mahavishnu was created. From him the small Virat (Vishnu) emerged from whose navel Brahma emerged and from Brahma’s forehead emerged Shiva. Vishnu was born out of the amsha of Rama who dwells in the Sveta-dvipa and is the protector of the universe. Therefore, in each and every globe Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva always reside. The lord himself appeared in various forms because of his own rays when he turns himself into a definite shape. Thereafter, he was called omnipotent, possessing all the virtues with definite forms because he moves at will being a great lord and how could he be freed from the same? He is all powerful and therefore he can indulge in all the worldly pleasures. 

Though one does not feel shy because of the same, it is well-known that the goddess who is full of shyness disappears. Goddess Durga is all powerful but currently she is born out of Himalaya. She was the form of Prakruti and as such the shyness is always enshrined in her. It is quite well-known. 

The Prakruti of lord Krishna is known in five forms as Radha, Padma, Savitri, Durga and Sarasvati. Out of these five, Radha happens to be the dearest beloved of lord Krishna who always resides in his heart.

 The great goddess of learning known as Savitri became the spouse of Brahma and Lakshmi the goddess of all the riches became the spouse of Narayana. Sarasvati after emerging out of the mouth of lord Krishna was divided into two forms, one of them was known as Savitri and became the spouse of Brahma while Sarasvati became the beloved of Narayana. 

The goddess of wisdom and the strength was known as Durga who became the spouse of Shiva.  Therefore, where shall the shyness of these goddesses disappear. 

О brother, Prakruti took to these five forms in Goloka itself and they are well-known in the universe and they appeared again and again. 

О best of the Brahmanas, the eternal Vaikuntha is the best place in the globe, it remains intact even during the time of dissolution. 

Vishnu resides in Vaikuntha as a part of lord Krishna having four arms wearing a garland of forest flowers and a yellow lower garment. The dark-complexioned lord Krishna having two arms remains in Goloka and plays on the flute wearing a serene smile on his face, living in the heart of Radha. 

He is always surrounded by cowherds and cowherdesses appearing in the form of a cowherd. He is complete in all respects, full of fortune, formless, beyond Prakruti, moves at will, independent and blissful. All the gods appear from his rays and Mahavirat happens to be the one-sixteenth part of his rays. 

The stout and the small are all born from him and they ultimately merge in him. This process is repeated again and again. 

The Goloka is located at a distance of five crores yojana above Vaikuntha and above that, there is no other loka. There is no other lord greater than lord Krishna. 

O Brahmana I had heard the whole of it from the mouth of lord Shiva which I have told you about. Therefore, О brother, you please wait here for a moment because both Shiva and Parvati are currently engaged in conjugal pleasures.